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Dec 15, 2014 23:30:53 GMT -5
Post by Silas Gaither on Dec 15, 2014 23:30:53 GMT -5
This is really a great F4, they've all played awesome games. As much as I want to vote for my F2 buddy Brenda, I think Jay's played a much better game. Brenda knew you were leaving, fwiw. Pretty sure Jay filled her in. I meant to tell you this earlier when I read you said she was "blindsided" when you left.  I think Brenda keeping Jay over me at F7 was such a stupid move that will come back to bite her. If she just wanted to keep a bigger threat around to take the attention away from herself, that's fine. But she's seemingly not even attempting to get him out. I don't get it. :/ |
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Post by Silas Gaither on Dec 15, 2014 23:38:02 GMT -5
Me/Tanya/Ghandia/ian would like to have a word ok maybe not ghandia lol LOVE YOU VEE <3 I voted out everyone in that F4 this season. |
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Dec 15, 2014 23:42:41 GMT -5
Post by andrewsavage on Dec 15, 2014 23:42:41 GMT -5
Yes, I've heard that Silas  did she know that you/RC were gonna vote for me? Because she told me that I was getting votes from jay/morg/sean, but didn't mention you guys. |
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Dec 15, 2014 23:55:59 GMT -5
Post by Morgan McLeod on Dec 15, 2014 23:55:59 GMT -5
Thank you Courtney, and Silas for the nice welcome. I am disappointed by how much bitterness there is in this jury, not surprised however all things considered. I told them I stood no chance at winning, but they wouldn't listen. No big deal. Either way, I could go on and on explaining why I did everything that I did, and why I was perceived a certain way. But quite frankly, I don't think any of you would care whatsoever, because you are too wrapped in your perception of what I did, or who I am as a person, or played the game. It is what it is. I can, however, guarantee you that there were well-thought out reasons behind every single vote-off, and while some of you might not like to hear it, it is what it is. I am probably not going to be around much because I don't like being around people who harbor negative feelings towards me over a game. If anyone feels like chatting, or hearing how things went down I would be more than happy to catch them up. Good game, to most of you. I am bitter because I never got an explanation of my boot nor was I told the truth when there was literally nothing I could have done to save myself - I felt like I was treated as though I had no feelings throughout the course of this game and I felt completely disrespected. I'm not directly trying to point fingers at you or anyone else, I'm just trying to explain the general vibe on how I felt in the game and after my boot. I never understood the point in lying - the same thing you complained about later on in the game, which is why I may have said some of the negative things about you in here that I have. But I was always waiting for an explanation from you, or whoever was behind my boot, because I felt like I deserved one, whether as a fellow competitor, or as a friend. However, if you don't feel like you own me one, then I'm not going to ask for one from you because it really doesn't matter anymore since it's over and we're both out anyway. I do have to say that you played a great game, and I was shocked to see you booted. I respect your game, and I'm not faulting you for your moves - more about how you went about making them. If that makes sense? :\ I didn't lie to you whatsoever. You were safe when we talked. The decision to boot you was pretty last minute, and quite frankly it stemmed from wanting to have fun. Up to that point I was beyond bored with the game, I felt like very few people cared about the game, and from everyone was saying you didn't talk to anyone nor were you around. At that point I had started my job so my activity had dropped significantly, but I was making an effort to keep myself involved in a game which I was not enjoying myself in. A couple of us talked and decided we wanted to take the people who were pretty much floating through the game so that the end game would get more exciting. And honestly, that's what happened, your boot made people realize that they had to do stuff if they wanted to get any respect and not become an easy target. It was never about you as a person, but about trying to give people who had been busting their asses to get to that point to continue. Was it a stupid move? Probably since you were loyal to Sean. But we had saved you once before because you said you were gonna try harder and you wanted to play, and honestly I never felt like you were into the game, or you did what you promised when we changed plans for you. Did I feel bad about not going to you? Yes, but not enough to act on it because I didn't want you to guilt-trip me into keeping you once again. I don't remember who said it, but they said the reason you survived so long was more because we liked you as a person, and outside the game, than because of anything that you did this game, which I agree on. I also never said I did NOT lie, however I did play a far more straight-forward game than most. If people asked me where my vote was I would say it, the issue is that all these super bitter people never approached me to ask. Unlike others I did not go out of my way to pretend my target were other people. Ask Silas, for example, he always knew that he was going to be my target, even when he saved me on that tie-breaker I never promised him anything at all. I said I would be thankful, which I was, but I never told him I would take him anywhere because I knew my objective was to vote him out next regardless. If I'm a horrible villain, and as awful of a human being for that... then I guess I might finally be able to explain why I don't find any enjoyment in playing alias games like this. |
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Dec 15, 2014 23:57:55 GMT -5
Post by Silas Gaither on Dec 15, 2014 23:57:55 GMT -5
Yes, I've heard that Silas did she know that you/RC were gonna vote for me? Because she told me that I was getting votes from jay/morg/sean, but didn't mention you guys. I didn't tell Brenda I was voting for you, and neither did RC. But that's cause she seemingly wasn't around that entire day, so I didn't speak to her at all. After Malcolm left I was like "Yay it worked!" and then she never responded or came online, so we didn't discuss the vote at all. I think Jay might've filled her in that me/RC were voting you though, cause we obviously discussed it with him. The only reason I flipped that round to vote you out was because of Jay. I didn't care for Morgan (at the time, no offence girl!) and wanted to vote her out, but there was talk about targeting Jay and splitting the vote with him, and me/RC were super close with him on Bayamon and had a Final 3 deal, so we didn't want him to be in danger. It's also cause of Jay that I flipped back and voted out Courtney on the revote too, otherwise it would've stayed tied. |
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Post by Morgan McLeod on Dec 15, 2014 23:58:09 GMT -5
This is really a great F4, they've all played awesome games. As much as I want to vote for my F2 buddy Brenda, I think Jay's played a much better game. Brenda knew you were leaving, fwiw. Pretty sure Jay filled her in. I meant to tell you this earlier when I read you said she was "blindsided" when you left. I think Brenda keeping Jay over me at F7 was such a stupid move that will come back to bite her. If she just wanted to keep a bigger threat around to take the attention away from herself, that's fine. But she's seemingly not even attempting to get him out. I don't get it. :/ The reason you were voted out over far bigger threats is that you had proven to be extremely unreliable. Sean wanted to keep you really bad, and others did too, but it didn't take much to remind everyone that you had flip-flopped all over the map including during a tie-breaker just to try and vote me out the following round again. Plans to get out Jay/Brenda were in motion but you were a number that could not be counted on at all, so it was better to cut the loses and go into final 6 as three pairs and hope for the best. |
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Post by Silas Gaither on Dec 16, 2014 0:16:15 GMT -5
Brenda knew you were leaving, fwiw. Pretty sure Jay filled her in. I meant to tell you this earlier when I read you said she was "blindsided" when you left. I think Brenda keeping Jay over me at F7 was such a stupid move that will come back to bite her. If she just wanted to keep a bigger threat around to take the attention away from herself, that's fine. But she's seemingly not even attempting to get him out. I don't get it. :/ The reason you were voted out over far bigger threats is that you had proven to be extremely unreliable. Sean wanted to keep you really bad, and others did too, but it didn't take much to remind everyone that you had flip-flopped all over the map including during a tie-breaker just to try and vote me out the following round again. Plans to get out Jay/Brenda were in motion but you were a number that could not be counted on at all, so it was better to cut the loses and go into final 6 as three pairs and hope for the best. Yeah, I get that. I admit I played the Final 8 round (especially) poorly, but I was super frustrated with what was being said about me so felt at the bottom and couldn't just sit there and hope for the best. Obviously I can't blame you at all, cause I was targeting you too. I was asked to be in on that plan to vote out Jay, but I couldn't, cause I felt like as long as I stayed loyal to him and protected him when he was in danger, he would do the same to me. RC was with him too, so I'd lose two people if I did that. So you were literally the only person I could target. I wasn't surprised the vote landed on me though. Still, like I said, Brenda's had many chances to get Jay out after I was gone. |
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Dec 16, 2014 1:42:30 GMT -5
Post by brian on Dec 16, 2014 1:42:30 GMT -5
I am bitter because I never got an explanation of my boot nor was I told the truth when there was literally nothing I could have done to save myself - I felt like I was treated as though I had no feelings throughout the course of this game and I felt completely disrespected. I'm not directly trying to point fingers at you or anyone else, I'm just trying to explain the general vibe on how I felt in the game and after my boot. I never understood the point in lying - the same thing you complained about later on in the game, which is why I may have said some of the negative things about you in here that I have. But I was always waiting for an explanation from you, or whoever was behind my boot, because I felt like I deserved one, whether as a fellow competitor, or as a friend. However, if you don't feel like you own me one, then I'm not going to ask for one from you because it really doesn't matter anymore since it's over and we're both out anyway. I do have to say that you played a great game, and I was shocked to see you booted. I respect your game, and I'm not faulting you for your moves - more about how you went about making them. If that makes sense? :\ I didn't lie to you whatsoever. You were safe when we talked. The decision to boot you was pretty last minute, and quite frankly it stemmed from wanting to have fun. Up to that point I was beyond bored with the game, I felt like very few people cared about the game, and from everyone was saying you didn't talk to anyone nor were you around. At that point I had started my job so my activity had dropped significantly, but I was making an effort to keep myself involved in a game which I was not enjoying myself in. A couple of us talked and decided we wanted to take the people who were pretty much floating through the game so that the end game would get more exciting. And honestly, that's what happened, your boot made people realize that they had to do stuff if they wanted to get any respect and not become an easy target. It was never about you as a person, but about trying to give people who had been busting their asses to get to that point to continue. Was it a stupid move? Probably since you were loyal to Sean. But we had saved you once before because you said you were gonna try harder and you wanted to play, and honestly I never felt like you were into the game, or you did what you promised when we changed plans for you. Did I feel bad about not going to you? Yes, but not enough to act on it because I didn't want you to guilt-trip me into keeping you once again. I don't remember who said it, but they said the reason you survived so long was more because we liked you as a person, and outside the game, than because of anything that you did this game, which I agree on. I also never said I did NOT lie, however I did play a far more straight-forward game than most. If people asked me where my vote was I would say it, the issue is that all these super bitter people never approached me to ask. Unlike others I did not go out of my way to pretend my target were other people. Ask Silas, for example, he always knew that he was going to be my target, even when he saved me on that tie-breaker I never promised him anything at all. I said I would be thankful, which I was, but I never told him I would take him anywhere because I knew my objective was to vote him out next regardless. If I'm a horrible villain, and as awful of a human being for that... then I guess I might finally be able to explain why I don't find any enjoyment in playing alias games like this. I guess lying isn't the right word… Savage told me it was really last minute, but I really appreciated that he came and told me instead of just let me be blindsided (even though I wasn't blindsided - thanks to Savage lol). While you didn't lie, there's a difference between "lying" and "telling the truth" which I think you did neither. You told me the upfront truth, but then when things changed, you let me believe the false truth you previously told me. I know I wasn't the most active, but I was either swamped with exams and studying or swamped with work and holidays, and I tried - so I don't think that's an excuse to write off my feelings as insignificant; no one really even tried with me anyway. You never initiated a convo with me, I don't think once… I remember once after merge Jay messaged me, but I was at work and replied when I got off and never got a response, and Brenda tried sometimes… I was pretty consistently talking to Savage and Silas, and Sean to an extent. I never saw effort from anyone else personally, because no one else ever initiated a convo with me, so I didn't try as hard with those who didn't try with me. Also, I don't feel like there was much to discuss until my boot cuz I feel like when I left, that's when things really picked up. I don't feel like I really had a chance, tbh. I don't think it was a stupid move of you to boot me. I think it was silly to let me be blindsided because that just sent me feeling upset to Ponderosa, but I don't think the move in and of itself was stupid. Yeah I was loyal to Sean, but I was more loyal to Silas and Savage, so I don't fault you for the move. xD Part of me didn't want to get ~into~ the game cuz I didn't want to have to hurt people I liked (you, Jay, Sean, even Courtney loll), so it just kind of hurt when it looked like you guys had no problem doing that to me. I don't think you were a super villain or anything, I think the moves you made were mostly justified and you played pretty straightforward, but I do feel like the way you went about some of your moves was dirty. (Letting me be blindsided, playing the victim to Savage and then throwing it back in his face, etc.) It was all justified, but you didn't have to play with emotions. |
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Dec 16, 2014 1:43:29 GMT -5
Post by andrewsavage on Dec 16, 2014 1:43:29 GMT -5
Yeah, idk Silas. I'm gonna have to ask her about that at FTC. <3
Also Morg, let me preface this by saying no one thinks you're an awful human being lol:
But, the reasons why I personally was pissed at you was because you decided to make this game personal after the Malcolm vote happened. I'm not mad at you because you didn't tell me about the vote (I didn't expect you to, and I didn't really feel the need to because I knew you were voting for me). I'm not mad at you for blindsiding me.
I'm mad because after the Malcolm vote, you tried to make it seem like I was disrespecting you and defaming your personal character. Which honestly...isn't cool, lol. I explained myself to you, and all I got was you telling me to fuck off and you calling me a moron. Then you said that I didn't respect you after all the talks we had which wasn't true at all. You're a great person and I love talking to you.
I made a move that I thought was best for my game, and instead of just respecting that, you acted like I was personally attacking you. Which, again, wasn't true. I was anticipating that Malcolm or you had an idol, and I figured I couldn't tell you. It KILLED me not to, but I knew I had to. And btw, I was right...Malcolm had an idol lol. So the fact that you called me a moron and said I "didn't deserve to win this game" for assuming that one of you had an idol, when I was right the whole time just makes it all the worse.
Anyway, that's my piece? I know it's just a game, and I'm more or less over it. I'm not going to stay mad at you, and hope this doesn't ruin our friendship...because it'd honestly be a stupid reason for that to happen tbh.
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Dec 16, 2014 5:56:02 GMT -5
Post by Silas Gaither on Dec 16, 2014 5:56:02 GMT -5
This is true! I actually talked to you more than I did with anyone in the cast, for those first two rounds of the merge. I was kinda inactive those rounds myself, you were the only person still up when I got home after being out all day.  |
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Dec 16, 2014 17:12:12 GMT -5
Post by Morgan McLeod on Dec 16, 2014 17:12:12 GMT -5
I didn't lie to you whatsoever. You were safe when we talked. The decision to boot you was pretty last minute, and quite frankly it stemmed from wanting to have fun. Up to that point I was beyond bored with the game, I felt like very few people cared about the game, and from everyone was saying you didn't talk to anyone nor were you around. At that point I had started my job so my activity had dropped significantly, but I was making an effort to keep myself involved in a game which I was not enjoying myself in. A couple of us talked and decided we wanted to take the people who were pretty much floating through the game so that the end game would get more exciting. And honestly, that's what happened, your boot made people realize that they had to do stuff if they wanted to get any respect and not become an easy target. It was never about you as a person, but about trying to give people who had been busting their asses to get to that point to continue. Was it a stupid move? Probably since you were loyal to Sean. But we had saved you once before because you said you were gonna try harder and you wanted to play, and honestly I never felt like you were into the game, or you did what you promised when we changed plans for you. Did I feel bad about not going to you? Yes, but not enough to act on it because I didn't want you to guilt-trip me into keeping you once again. I don't remember who said it, but they said the reason you survived so long was more because we liked you as a person, and outside the game, than because of anything that you did this game, which I agree on. I also never said I did NOT lie, however I did play a far more straight-forward game than most. If people asked me where my vote was I would say it, the issue is that all these super bitter people never approached me to ask. Unlike others I did not go out of my way to pretend my target were other people. Ask Silas, for example, he always knew that he was going to be my target, even when he saved me on that tie-breaker I never promised him anything at all. I said I would be thankful, which I was, but I never told him I would take him anywhere because I knew my objective was to vote him out next regardless. If I'm a horrible villain, and as awful of a human being for that... then I guess I might finally be able to explain why I don't find any enjoyment in playing alias games like this. I guess lying isn't the right word… Savage told me it was really last minute, but I really appreciated that he came and told me instead of just let me be blindsided (even though I wasn't blindsided - thanks to Savage lol). While you didn't lie, there's a difference between "lying" and "telling the truth" which I think you did neither. You told me the upfront truth, but then when things changed, you let me believe the false truth you previously told me. I know I wasn't the most active, but I was either swamped with exams and studying or swamped with work and holidays, and I tried - so I don't think that's an excuse to write off my feelings as insignificant; no one really even tried with me anyway. You never initiated a convo with me, I don't think once… I remember once after merge Jay messaged me, but I was at work and replied when I got off and never got a response, and Brenda tried sometimes… I was pretty consistently talking to Savage and Silas, and Sean to an extent. I never saw effort from anyone else personally, because no one else ever initiated a convo with me, so I didn't try as hard with those who didn't try with me. Also, I don't feel like there was much to discuss until my boot cuz I feel like when I left, that's when things really picked up. I don't feel like I really had a chance, tbh. I don't think it was a stupid move of you to boot me. I think it was silly to let me be blindsided because that just sent me feeling upset to Ponderosa, but I don't think the move in and of itself was stupid. Yeah I was loyal to Sean, but I was more loyal to Silas and Savage, so I don't fault you for the move. xD Part of me didn't want to get ~into~ the game cuz I didn't want to have to hurt people I liked (you, Jay, Sean, even Courtney loll), so it just kind of hurt when it looked like you guys had no problem doing that to me. I don't think you were a super villain or anything, I think the moves you made were mostly justified and you played pretty straightforward, but I do feel like the way you went about some of your moves was dirty. (Letting me be blindsided, playing the victim to Savage and then throwing it back in his face, etc.) It was all justified, but you didn't have to play with emotions. I honestly didn't message anyone at all. Part of my strategy was to let people come to me, because at FTC I didn't want anyone to be like "YOU TALKED TO EVERYONE BUT ME!" because I didn't talk to anyone by my own doing unless I needed them. Was it a flawed strategy? Probably, but it worked with me due to my time constraints. And I like you too, as a person, obviously, which is why I saved you on that first vote even though it wasn't really the best move considering activity/my deals, but I did because I liked you outside the game, mostly. The whole thing with andrewsavage is a whole other story though. I had been defending him and Brenda for a few rounds now, making sure our alliance stayed together, so when they blindsided me with the Malcolm vote after everything I felt I had done for them I was absolutely livid. I told them not to talk to me, and they still came to me with bullshit apologies, and at that moment I was beyond pissed off. The kind of person I am is that I need a few hours to cool off, but no one gave me anytime they all came to me and I flipped out. It was not about using emotions, or trying to manipulate anyone in that sense, it was simply me reacting to what I felt was an extremely personal attack at me after all I had done for people. Period. If people want to take it out of context and think it was some mastermind move to gain pity that's their prerogative, but that's laughable because I was simply reacting. When I called Andrew a moron for the idol comment, I was not aware that he had the idol at all, Malcolm was a shit ally and never told me he had it, and since I trusted him implicitly [just how I trusted Sean/Brenda/Andrew at that point] I assumed he would have told me. The kind of ally I am is that when I give someone my word then I follow through, and I defend those people to the end, the people I aligned with constantly lied to me, used me for a vote, and then I would hear all the shit they were saying about me, or how many plans they had behind my back while I was being transparent. So, OF COURSE it felt personally attacked. That's all, if people cannot still not understand my POV then that's a bummer. |
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Post by jefra on Dec 16, 2014 18:25:32 GMT -5
I am star.
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Post by Host Brandon on Dec 16, 2014 18:36:59 GMT -5
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Dec 16, 2014 19:09:23 GMT -5
Post by andrewsavage on Dec 16, 2014 19:09:23 GMT -5
How awesome would that be if Jefra got the final episode title <3
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Dec 16, 2014 19:32:56 GMT -5
Post by Silas Gaither on Dec 16, 2014 19:32:56 GMT -5
So FIC is endurance. I'm picking Brenda to win this one. Then Sean will get booted, I guess. Even though Brenda/Sean should tie it against Jay.
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did she know that you/RC were gonna vote for me? Because she told me that I was getting votes from jay/morg/sean, but didn't mention you guys. 
